The Trump Term of Office

Johnny b

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If Congress votes to Impeach that would provide a considerable amount of legal precedence if criminal charges were brought post-20th. If the wording of the Impeachment document were the basis of a criminal case and if, in that criminal case, were to be found guilty, then that might incur a minimum incarceration of 15 years.

That would go a very long way to reinstating the USA as the democratic light to be admired, respected and adhered to by all democracies and would make tinpot dictators think again about their ambitions.

T.

The 'talk' about impeachment so far seems to be directed at 'incitement' to violence.
From a political pov, I doubt Trump would be incarcerated.
I think much of the GOP simply wants to see Trump gone from their party, never to be allowed to run for/hold office in the future. Trump has become a liability for the GOP.

There are many civilians of a like mind that appear to support Trump.
The real question there is ....are they loyalists or just using Trump as a figurehead?
The fascist/racist element is nothing new, they've been building strength for more than several decades and I suspect they saw current events as timely for their power play.
The 'Boogaloo' movement seems a major player and their 'cause' is less for support of Trump and more for a civil war to overthrow the existing form of government.

And then there are the nutters. Qanon cultists. They currently worship Trump but as seen, they can do a 180 and hate just as passionately as seen concerning Pence.

Tea party and Libertarian anarchists seem to be aligned with Trump, but I suspect most of them realize Trump is only 'for Trump' and they return the favor by using him for their own gains.

Currently, extremist rightwing evangelicals do support Trump, largely because of Trump's promises about abortion and right to life.
But Trump is on his way out power and his promises die, not that they were ever sincere/real to begin with.
They'll be looking for someone more 'resilient'. ;)


What's dangerous is that Trump/et al have left a 'roadmap of failure' that rightwing extremists will know to avoid in their next power play.

Putting Trump behind bars would be justice, imo, but the rest of the world's worst leaders have also seen what doesn't work well in subverting a free society.
With Trump out of the picture, those types will be the next aggressors against free societies.
In failure, Trump teaches them well.

And of course, there will still be socialists to deal with. No doubt they've learned a lot also.
 

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Interesting and balanced Post by Johnny B....(y)

My view is that if any of those who have been arrested are tried, found guilty and given a prison term then the instigator of this disaster (5 people died, including a police officer), should at the very least be given a sentence that is equivalent in time to the longest sentence given by the courts.

T.
 

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Something to watch for and it's looking bad.

Potentially, it's a matter of elected officials ( congressmen ) leading tours through the Capitol Jan 5 which may have been reconnaissance of the building's layout, by those that committed insurrection.

New Jersey congresswoman demands investigation into colleagues' 'reconnaissance' tours of Capitol
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...rs-aided-their-capitol-reconnaiss/4151448001/
 

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Something to watch for and it's looking bad.

Potentially, it's a matter of elected officials ( congressmen ) leading tours through the Capitol Jan 5 which may have been reconnaissance of the building's layout, by those that committed insurrection.

New Jersey congresswoman demands investigation into colleagues' 'reconnaissance' tours of Capitol
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...rs-aided-their-capitol-reconnaiss/4151448001/
Wow that is really not looking good... Do you know if that one that was tweeting the whereabouts of Pelosi was part of this?
 

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Wow that is really not looking good... Do you know if that one that was tweeting the whereabouts of Pelosi was part of this?
Nothing definite, just the 'coincidence' that Republican Boebert is reported to be sympathetic with Qanon and her demands to carry a firearm in Chambers now seem a lot more ominous.

Just to note: her tweets during the invasion were information of where Pelosi wasn't going to be found.

Also note:
It appears Boebert may have been trying to carry a concealed weapon into House Chambers on Jan 5.
https://www.denverpost.com/2021/01/13/lauren-boebert-congress-us-capitol-riot/

And, on Tuesday night, she refused to let Capitol Police search her bag
( https://www.denverpost.com/2021/01/12/lauren-boebert-guns-congress-security-stop/ )
for a gun after setting off a metal detector at the entrance to House chambers. The metal detectors, she said, are a “political stunt” by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
 

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The mentality of some Republican Congressmen is totally reprehensible and deserving of scorn.

From the Republican Congressional Representative Mike Turner:

https://www.daytondailynews.com/loc...achment-heres-why/D45SVSFSJBESBDXPD6R5GT4HGQ/

“A violent mob rioted and stormed the Capitol in a futile attempt to overturn the results of a free and fair election. They failed,” he said in a press release.
“In less than a week, President Trump is leaving office disgraced and discredited for his efforts to overturn the 2020 election. However, Speaker (Nancy) Pelosi’s snap impeachment is absent due process, hearings, witnesses and violates our responsibilities under the Constitution. For these reasons, I could not support it.”
Due process occurs in the Senate, not the House in regards to Impeachment.
The House brings the charges, the Senate the verdict.

All Turner did was argue to empower and embolden a sitting President that has entertained sedition by orchestrating a violent attack on Congress.

And he represents my district.

His argument boils down to: It's too late to charge Trump with a crime. (n)
 
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My county has five US Reps in Congress. Three voted to impeach - the other two gave the same convoluted BS comment your rep did as to why they voted no. The latter trying to appease both sides and showing no principles outside of their duplicity to obfuscate the BS and still support the insurrectionist in chief while acting holier than the other scumbags that wholly support Trump no matter what he does. If I weren't an atheist I'd hope they (as in Trump worshipers) all rot in hell !
 

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I doubt this is a surprise to anyone that frequents the Internet.

Banned from Facebook and Twitter, pro-Trump extremists hatch Inauguration Day violence in dark reaches of the web
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech...tter-violence-gab-telegram-signal/4151498001/

Expelled from mainstream social media, the supporters of President Trump, QAnon conspiracy theorists, white supremacists and armed agitators behind the deadly Capitol siege have burrowed into the darker reaches of the internet, where they are hatching plans to converge on state capitals and Washington, D.C., this weekend and Inauguration Day in smaller online forums and on encrypted messaging apps.
An excerpt from the now defunct Parler:
“Many of Us will return on January 19, 2021, carrying Our weapons, in support of Our nation's resolve, to which [sic] the world will never forget!!!" one QAnon supporter wrote on Parler, a right-leaning social media platform that was taken offline Monday when Amazon stopped hosting it. "We will come in numbers that no standing army or police agency can match.”

And this stands out in the article:
On Wednesday, Trump, who is now the only president in U.S. history to be impeached twice, released a taped statement: "No true supporter of mine could ever threaten or harass their fellow Americans."
With all the lies Trump has generated, that one is the stupidest of them all.
 

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Interesting admission:

A ‘Stop the Steal’ organizer, now banned by Twitter, said three GOP lawmakers helped plan his D.C. rally
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/13/ali-alexander-capitol-biggs-gosar/

Alexander, who organized the “Stop the Steal” movement, said he hatched the plan — coinciding with Congress’s vote to certify the electoral college votes — alongside three GOP lawmakers: Reps. Andy Biggs (Ariz.), Mo Brooks (Ala.) and Paul A. Gosar (Ariz.), all hard-line Trump supporters.

“We four schemed up of putting maximum pressure on Congress while they were voting,”
Now to wonder how many in Congress worked in conjunction/cooperation with Biggs, Brooks and Gosar's acts of sedition and insurrection.

I suspect many by the current bold support of Trump by GOP members.
 
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The House is full of RW insurrectionist and I expect 1/2 of the right in Senate. If any found to have been involved, I'm hopeful they will be punished to full extent of the law, up to and including death.
 

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Time for some 'dark humor'.
OK, you just have to laff at this.

Friendship and loyalty, Trump style.

Report: 'Isolated And Angry' Trump Refuses To Pay Rudy Giuliani For Legal Work
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump-wont-pay-rudy-giuliani-election-legal-work-032513094.html



Trump is isolated and angry at aides for failing to defend him as he is impeached again
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...95675a-55b6-11eb-a931-5b162d0d033d_story.html

Trump has instructed aides not to pay Giuliani’s legal fees, two officials said, and has demanded that he personally approve any reimbursements for the expenses Giuliani incurred while traveling on the president’s behalf to challenge election results in key states. They said Trump has privately expressed concern with some of Giuliani’s moves and did not appreciate a demand from Giuliani for $20,000 a day in fees for his work attempting to overturn the election.

LOL...it's all Rudy's fault :D
 

Johnny b

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Back to the 'not funny'.

There appears to be so little trust in the intentions of Congressional members, this is one result:

In wake of Capitol riot, House members subject to security screenings
https://news.yahoo.com/in-wake-of-c...subject-to-security-screenings-222746111.html

Following the riot that took place at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, members of the House of Representatives will now be subject to security screening, including passing through a metal detector as they enter the House chamber, lawmakers were informed Tuesday.

“To ensure compliance with the Capitol Police Board regulations concerning firearms and incendiary devices, as well as to provide a safe and secure environment in which to conduct legislative business, effective immediately, all persons, including Members, are required [to] undergo security screening when entering the House Chamber,” Timothy Blodgett, the acting House sergeant at arms, wrote in a memo to members of Congress and staff, informing them of new security procedures that will be implemented.
While it's obviously needed because of what the Nation recently experienced, it a sad state of affairs when the threat of sedition and insurrection possibly exists in the people chosen to represent the citizen and work for a safe society.
 

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