There Was Zero Evidence Election Fraud?

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Just a thread to track and discuss the accusations/rebuttals resulting from forensic audits and other investigations of the 2020 Election that are ongoing in Arizona and Georgia with potentially more States to be added.

Please note that this is not intended to be another Bash Trump thread. As in, I do not care about inflammatory statements that Trump, Biden, or their surrogates, have to say about any process, organization, or individual involved in the audit process. Rather this is a thread to seriously look at election integrity and to analyze reported information when it comes to the various State voting processes. So please try to stay on topic.

Audit team reports 74,000-ballot discrepancy in Arizona mail-in votes (wnd.com)
According to Cyber Ninjas...
  • 74,243 ballots were counted for which there is no corresponding record that they were mailed out.
  • 3,981 people who voted who were registered to vote after an Oct. 15 deadline
  • 11,326 people who voted who were not on the rolls on Nov. 7, but were on Dec. 4
  • 18,000 voted, but were removed from the rolls after the election
New Evidence Indicates Enough Illegal Ballots in Georgia to Tip 2020 Results (electionwiz.com)
After excluding moves with effective dates within 30 days of the general election, and by using data available from the Georgia Secretary of State’s Office, Davis identified nearly 35,000 Georgia voters who indicated they had moved from one Georgia county to another, but then voted in the 2020 general election in the county from which they had moved...

...Davis’s work is consistent with an earlier analysis conducted by the Voter Integrity Project (VIP) which showed more than 20,000 people who voted in Georgia did not meet the state’s residency requirements.
 

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Interesting sources. ( lol )

Personally, I think Infowars is a lot more....err.....colorful. :)
 
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Porn sites have better political info than either of these sources ! LOL
 

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...................

.............................. this is a thread to seriously look at election integrity and to analyze reported information when it comes to the various State voting processes.

About all that will get posted here at the present time, are the headlines of news outlets and the resulting articles.
And at that, some with intense bias.

Claims seem to come and go with Trumplicans.

IMO, better to review from a broad spectrum approach to get a more complete understanding and view of the election.
That means the reading of more than just Trumplican shills.
Focusing on claims made by a group employed by Trump backers will only bring out an incredibly biased result.

Trump lost.
Get over it. :D
 

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Porn sites have better political info than either of these sources ! LOL
lol.

Well, the header at Election Wizard says it all
https://electionwiz.com/
The #1 Source for Populist News & Wizardly Takes

Currently, context of the term 'populist' would be an appeal to Trumplicans.
You know...Qanon, radical anarchist libertarians, Maga Nationalists ( fascists ), and elements of the Fundamentalist movement, and illegal militias.

I wonder what a 'Wizardly Take' is?
Some kind of bizarre logic, I suspect ;)
 
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JB - I'll check with the ghost of Carlos Castaneda to get "Wizard Take" clarified for ya and get back atcha!! o_O:LOL:
 

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lol.

I had to do a search of Carlos. Never heard of him before your post.

( Good one :D )
 

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............................ Rather this is a thread to seriously look at election integrity and to analyze reported information when it comes to the various State voting processes. .......................
" analyze reported information " ......what does that even mean?

Trump's people early on in his administration used sophistry to replace 'facts' with 'alternate facts'. A non sequitur.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_fallacy
Apparently an attempt to present lies frequently enough, until they are accepted as truth.

While a logical argument is a non sequitur if, and only if, it is invalid, the term "non sequitur" typically refers to those types of invalid arguments which do not constitute formal fallacies covered by particular terms (e.g., affirming the consequent). In other words, in practice, "non sequitur" refers to an unnamed formal fallacy.
We continually see Trump backed claims of evidence that are too often not presented, flawed or shown to be absurd.
Shouldn't you be calling the Ninja Cyber claims ....." alternate evidence" ?
Seems fitting, imo. Just more BS from the DJT cult. Endlessly repeated.
Don't seem to be any more correct than the sophistry of 'alternate facts".


Anyway:

AP: Few AZ voter fraud cases, discrediting Trump’s claims
https://apnews.com/article/business...lection-2020-e6158cd1b0c6442716064e6791b4c6fc

Interesting article at Slate:

We Now Know Exactly What the Trump-Backed Arizona “Audit” Is Going to Do
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/07/trump-declares-victory-arizona-audit-debunked.html


Both articles are current.
Jack....read them or not read them. In the scheme of things, it doesn't matter whether you do or don't.....:rolleyes:
 

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Texas attorney general says bar probe is unconstitutional
https://news.yahoo.com/texas-attorney-general-says-bar-200519054.html

Texas attorney general Paxton was involved in attempting to overturn the 2020 election, now attempts to place himself above the law.
Perhaps even like a 'mini Trump' with executive like privileges that could potentially appear to result in a defacto dictator at a state level.

Just a thread to track and discuss the accusations/rebuttals resulting from forensic audits and other investigations of the 2020 Election that are ongoing in Arizona and Georgia with potentially more States to be added.

Please note that this is not intended to be another Bash Trump thread. As in, I do not care about inflammatory statements that Trump, Biden, or their surrogates, have to say about any process, organization, or individual involved in the audit process. Rather this is a thread to seriously look at election integrity and to analyze reported information when it comes to the various State voting processes. So please try to stay on topic.
There is a flaw in the logic of your opening post, Jack.
How can we discuss the 2020 election integrity with out realizing the integrity of those making/presenting the wild claims of fraud that you allude to?

Paxton not only has the fraud issue to address, according to that article, he also has a checkered past.

From the article:
Paxton pleaded not guilty in a state securities fraud case, which has been stalled since 2015. He has broadly denied wrongdoing in the separate criminal probe launched after his then-top deputies reported him to the FBI last year for alleged bribery and abuse of office.
 

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Interesting article at Slate.
Cruelty, the Big Lie and proof of loyalty.
With Trump, it starts with hilarious lies and traverses easily to dangerous ones.
The clueless whopper and the sly distortion become immaterial.
The issue is one of the followers proving loyalty.
And their repetition to breed acceptance in others.
It's about creating the power to do what ever they damn well want to do.

The Lies Were Always the Point
https://slate.com/news-and-politics...oblem-republicans-sidney-powell-lin-wood.html

IMO, a good read and explains the mentality behind the plot for acceptance of Trump's Big Lie about election fraud.

Lead paragraph:
If Adam Serwer is correct and the cruelty was the point for Trump’s Republican Party from 2016 to 2020, then post-2020, it is possible that the lie has become the point. Incubating, amplifying, and polishing lies is now the full-time occupation of much of the GOP. Faced with the choice between governing and lying, they have decided to be purveyors of fiction.
Adam Serwer On New Book: 'The Cruelty Is The Point' In Trump's America
https://www.npr.org/2021/06/27/1010...ook-the-cruelty-is-the-point-in-trump-america

This stands out:
Trump is not essential to Trumpism. The politics of cruelty that Trump's employed are a product of a system that encourages a minority of the country to engineer the government so that they are no longer accountable to the public. And what - Trump's real innovation was showing how much of that the Republican Party can get away with.
 

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