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Toronto's Garbage

Discussion in 'Random Discussion' started by Bush Lady, Sep 8, 2004.

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  1. Bush Lady

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    I would like to buy the Democrat leader, John Kerry, a beer for wanting to stop Toronto from bringing their garbage to Michigan. Ontario even wanted to bring the garbage by train up to Sudbury and put it in an abandent mine. Isn"t there a way to incinerate the garbage without creating pollution. Ontario just wants to bring it's garbage anywhere and it doesn't matter were. Michigan was the best place that Mike Harris could find.
     
  2. Prrebel

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    Geeze... I thought this was a thread about the Leafs!
     
  3. Gibble

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    I thought it was a typo...

    it should read "Toronto is garbage"

    :p
     
  4. Bush Lady

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    Mike Harris wanted to get the garbage as far away from Toronto as possible. Now if Michigan stops Ontario from bringing Toronto's garbage. Then they can a big piles of garbage east and west of Toronto. Then they can do like you said Gibble. Put a sign up when people get into Toronto. 'Toronto is Garbage'
     
  5. Rockn

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    There is a free trade agreement between Toronto and Michigan. They ship their garbage back and forth across the border freely.
     
  6. Guyzer

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    Nobody lives in Saskatchewan anymore. Send it there.
    On second though don't. It would have to pass through Manitoba. :eek:
     
  7. angelize56

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    We don't want Canada's garbage! We have enough of our own to fill the landfills thank you! Here's how Kerry feels about it! (y) Trying to suck up the votes in my state! ;) :D

    Kerry would ban Canadian garbage shipments

    Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry said Tuesday he would immediately ban Canadian trash shipments into Michigan if he is elected – comments that raised the hackles of one Toronto city councillor.

    “It's time to end Canadian trash dumping in Michigan,” Mr. Kerry said in a news release. “[U.S. President] George W. Bush has let Michigan become Canada's landfill

    Toronto city councillor Jane Pitfield was livid when she got wind of Mr. Kerry's comments.

    "The fact that John Kerry is taking a cheap shot at Toronto or Canada with this indicates how unworthy he is to become president," said Ms. Pitfield, who chairs the city's works committee, which has the responsibility of solid waste management. "This is an extremely serious matter."

    Ms. Pitfield said the problem for Michigan is posed by the interstate movement of so-called "dirty garbage," not by the much smaller volume of clean waste coming from Toronto.

    She noted that Michigan passed an act last March that comes into effect on Oct. 1 prohibiting a host of substances, including medical waste, beverage containers, tires, yard clippings and asbestos from being sent to Michigan. Ms. Pitfield said Toronto already forbids most of these materials at its transfer stations.

    The city has also reduced the one-million tonnes of garbage it used to send to Michigan by 30 per cent, and will reach a goal of 50 per cent by 2005, she added.

    "We have gone down to Michigan and legislators have come up here and they are impressed that a city our size has been able to be compliant so quickly," Ms. Pitfield said.

    "I can't speak for the powers of a president, but I sincerely hope that re-evaluates his sensationalist comments that he made, which are clearly geared for votes. This is not the way to obtain votes."

    Mr. Kerry said he wouldn't allow further shipments until the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency begins enforcing a 1992 treaty that requires Canada to notify the EPA for each shipment of waste entering the United States. The treaty allows the EPA to reject shipments for health or environmental reasons.

    Democrats say the EPA has the power to enforce the treaty now. But EPA Administrator Mike Leavitt says the treaty only covers hazardous waste and that Congress needs to expand the EPA's authority if it wants to regulate other kinds of trash. Mr. Leavitt said in July that the Bush administration was working on legislation that would expand the EPA's authority, but that legislation hasn't yet been introduced.

    Mr. Leavitt also has asked Canada to begin voluntarily notifying the EPA of trash shipments beginning early next year.

    U.S. Senator Debbie Stabenow and U.S. Rep. John Dingell, both Michigan Democrats, insist the treaty covers all types of trash. They said the Bush administration is stalling because of pressure from waste management companies and trash-exporting states like New York.

    “I think that they support the interests that are making money off this situation,” Ms. Stabenow said.

    Bush campaign officials didn't immediately respond Tuesday to requests for comment.

    Mr. Dingell been trying unsuccessfully to halt Canadian trash shipments since former president Clinton was in office. Still, he feels confident Mr. Kerry “is seeing this situation the same way we in Michigan see it.”

    Ms. Stabenow said the issue took on a new urgency during Bush's presidency because Toronto started sending all of its trash to Michigan in January 2003. Michigan now gets around 180 truckloads of trash each day from Canada, and Stabenow said one-quarter of Michigan's landfill space is now being taken up by trash from Canada and other states.
     
  8. Gibble

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    Hey, if you don't want our trash, we can always stop exporting our electricity to you!

    And that's just ONE of the hydro companies exporting electricity to the US. We save you ALOT of pollution since you don't have the resources for producing Hydro power like we do. So we increase our pollution and environmental damage slightly to reduce your significantly.
     
  9. deh

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    How nice of America giving America Jr. business. ;)
     
  10. Bush Lady

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    Isn't it amazing I heard today on the news that Toronto is going to look into incinerating their garbage by 2005. They are going to use it as a way to make electricity. They must be thinking that John Kerry could become the next US president. :D
     
  11. Tipacanoe

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    There is growing evidence that Canada is receiving increasing amounts of hazardous waste from the United States. This has happened with no public debate about whether Canada wants to encourage the development of a significant industry in disposing of another country's toxic waste.

    The latest evidence is in two recent studies, one by the Texas Center for Policy Studies and one by Environment Canada. Both conclude that Quebec and Ontario have seen a rapid rise in imports of hazardous waste from the United States. According to the Texas report, Canada saw a fivefold growth in those imports between 1993 and 1999.

    This has occurred not because of active policy decisions to encourage waste imports, but because the U.S. has introduced progressively stricter rules for disposal of hazardous waste. Canada's more permissive rules have made it more appealing for American companies to ship their waste north, leading to a growing flow of heavy metals, solvents and sludge into Canadian landfills.
     
  12. Mulderator

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    What's the problem? :confused:
     
  13. Mulderator

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    BTW--Mulder will be happy to take Canada's trash! :eek:
     
  14. Tipacanoe

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    As always, dear Mulder, the problem is in ourselves. :eek:
     
  15. Bush Lady

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    Toronto had plans to incinerate their garbage. They were accually at the final stages, when the province stepped in and said that Toronto can't do it until they do an enviromental inpact study. This could take 5 years . I think that the Ontario government wants to keep Toronto's garbage an issue.
    Why do we just keep hearing about Toronto's garbage.
     
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