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Discussion in 'Random Discussion' started by plschwartz, Jan 23, 2003.

  1. plschwartz

    plschwartz Thread Starter

    Nov 15, 2000
    Missed your post on T'ism the first time round. It is one of the more beautiful things about America isn't it.
    I wonder why you posted it; perhaps you would care to say more?
    (I'll be off board til later look for a response)
  2. Tuppence2

    Tuppence2 Guest

    Hello there,

    I had been thinking about Buddhism, and then reading about Hawthorne and Whitman, and hadn't realized that they were interested in the philosophy of Transendentalism. I wanted to know what it was. I was surprised that these particular Americans, and the others mentioned, had been involved in the movement, and just found it very interesting.

    I had also been reading about the Brook Farm movement, where Transendentalism was mentioned.

    Thought there might be someone out there who would also find it interesting.

    Thanks for taking an interest in the post.

  3. plschwartz

    plschwartz Thread Starter

    Nov 15, 2000
    There have been several waves of Eastern influence upon western thought; perpas the T'ists were the most beautiful. Theupper crust of Boston society were known as the Brahmins. As merchants in the eastern trade they were much influenced with Hindu and Buddhist thought.
    An earlier connection was through Christian missionaries to china as :http://www.usfca.edu/ricci/mricci.htm
    Matteo Ricci, S.J., was the most illustrious of the early Jesuit missionaries to China. Born in Macerata, Italy, he studied in Rome, Coimbra and Goa. Arriving in Macao in 1582, he began intensive study of Chinese language, history and literature. After living in Zhaoqing and Nanjing, he moved to Beijing in 1603.

    Ricci succeeded in gaining the respect and friendship of many Chinese literati through his personal qualities, his writings and his many technical talents. Cartography, mathematics, astronomy, music, philosophy and the physical sciences accompanied his instruction in the Christian faith. Many of his students and associates were converted to the Christian faith and baptized.

    They became the "pillars of the Chinese Catholic Church." Ricci's studies leading to the first translation of the Confucian Four Books into Latin and his creation of the first romanization system for Chinese qualify him as the founder of Western sinology.

    For more information and bibliographies, please check:
    Ricci 21st Century Database.
    I have read that Leibnitz was quite knowledgable about Ricci and was inflenced via him by eastern thought.

    Earlier was Asoka http://www.zip.com.au/~lyallg/Asoka.htm
    Asoka, grandson of Chandragupta, was one of the first royal patrons of Buddhism. The first was, perhaps, Bimbisara, who lived at the time of the Buddha. Asoka's legend is recorded in a second century book called the "Asokavadana" which was translated into Chinese by Fa-ch'in in 300 A.D. He is also known from his edicts written on rocks and pillars throughout India. In his youth. Asoka was known as Canda Asoka, the fierce Asoka, due to his aggressive nature. As a prince, he was appointed governor of Vidisa (modern Bhilsa) where he married a rich merchant's daughter. On hearing of his father's impending death, he hurried to the Capital, Pataliputra, where, after occupying it, he killed all of the rival princes with the exception of his own brother. This brutality met with the opposition of the populace, delaying his coronation for four years. He ascended to the throne in 270 B.C. Eight years into his reign, he invaded Kalinga (modern Orissa) killing many thousands of people in battle whilst many thousands died from the effects of the war. This was the turning point of his life. He halted his military campaigns and, being a Buddhist, he focused his attention instead to religious conquests, known as Dharmavijaya. He appointed his officers to tour the country on religious missions. After twenty years of his reign, he visited the Buddha's birthplace at Lumbini in modern Nepal, where he erected a pillar recording his visit. He also visited Bodh Gaya, where the Buddha attained Enlightenment, as well as Sarnath, where the Buddha preached his first sermon. It was here that he erected a pillar threatening excommunication to any monk who caused a schism in the Sangha. He abandoned meat eating for himself and advocated moral values for his subjects. He also promoted tolerance towards all religions which he supported financially. The prevalent religions of that time were the sramanas or wandering ascetics, Brahmins, Ajivakas and Jains. He recommended that all religions desist from self praise and condemnation of others. His pronouncements were written on rocks at the periphery of his kingdom and on pillars along the main roads and where pilgims gathered. He also established many hospitals for both humans and animals At one stage, he conferred many gifts on the Buddhist Sangha which resulted in the attraction to its ranks of non-Buddhist hangers-on and disreputable people looking for an easier life. This resulted in a degeneration, and lack of purity in the Sangha. He decided to rectify this problem by convening a Sangha Council at Pataliputra to determine the true nature of Dharma practice and to banish those who would not adhere to it. Following this Council, he decided to extend his missions to other countries, which included the Ionian Greeks, Ghandar, Kashmir, the Himalayan Regions, Mysore. Ceylon. Burma, Malaya and Sumatra. He sent his son, Mahendra, and his daughter Sanghamitra to Ceylon and their visit is celebrated in Sri Lanka by public holidays to this day. His 13th Rock Edict records that he tried to spread Buddhism to the kingdoms of Antiochus II, King of Syria, Ptolemy of Egypt, Antigonos of Macedonia, Alexander of Epirus (Northern Greece) and Magas in Cyrenia (North Africa). What a difference modern history may have been had he succeeded. Under Asoka, nearly the whole of the Indian Continent was unified for the first time in history. Dharma meant for Asoka morality, active social concern, religious tolerance, ecological awareness, observance of ethical precepts and renunciation of war.

    Of couse following this discovery the tempation was strong to find a link between this buddhism and Jesus.
  4. Tuppence2

    Tuppence2 Guest

    Hello plschwartz,

    Thanks for the article and the links. Will keep me busy for a while!

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