Trouble booting up until machine gets warm.

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I have a computer here (belongs to a friend) that has trouble booting up. It attempts to boot then crashes and sometimes starts checking the disks, (see attachment). If left on for a while it will stay on for longer each cycle and eventually when it gets warm it will run normally for sometimes a few hours but might crash occasionally at any activity but with no consistent pattern.
The cpu is a 1000 megahertz AMD Duron, temperature 50 c.
Current system temperature is 39 c.

I have unchecked "restart automatically" in my computer advanced properties with the hope of seeing a blue screen error notice. So far no result.

My experience level with the above type of problem on a scale of 1 - 10 would be about 2.

Any help appreciated.
 

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From here I would say you are looking at a corrupt registry, and the 'heating' up is the system rebuilding the driver indexes. Does the same happen in safe mode?
 

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I have had trouble getting it to start in safe mode as it would go through its crash and reboot cycle and then hang for a long time before successfully starting. Once in safe mode it seems to be alright but I had put this down to it just being warm.
I was thinking more on the lines of a hardware problem due to the fact that on a cold morning it takes longer to come right.
Keeping an open mind, how do I check for corrupt registry ?
 

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I should have mentioned:
Os is XP SP2 and up to date,
Avast, adaware and spybot are all up to date and find nothing.

For a second opinion I uninstalled avast and installed NOD32 trial which also found nothing.
I ran HJT which to me appears clean. I could post a log if anyone thinks its necessary.
 
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Gerry, I would question the hard drive itself.

Until warm it may not be rotating at the constant speed required (bearing problems)?

If you ID the drive make, download the diagnostic tools for it from the makers website.
 

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kiwiguy said:
If you ID the drive make, download the diagnostic tools for it from the makers website.
Hi Kiwiguy

This from Belarc Adviser when it had been running for quite a while:

Maxtor 2B020H1 [Hard drive] (20.49 GB) -- drive 0, s/n B1G07J1E, rev WAH21PB0, SMART Status: Healthy

I'll go and have a look for the diagnostic tools.
 

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For these types of problems, I normally break out the cooling spray and heat gun. With the machine off, I'd start by throughly warming up the hard disk and see if the machine boots normally. You can probably remove the hard disk and lay it cabled up on the bench for easier access. Another test is to have a bootable memory test available and run that first thing while the machine is cool. If it doesn't run cool, use the heat gun to warm up the memory, and see if that helps.

The way to solve these problems is to narrow down the suspects.
 

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JohnWill said:
With the machine off, I'd start by throughly warming up the hard disk and see if the machine boots normally. You can probably remove the hard disk and lay it cabled up on the bench for easier access. Another test is to have a bootable memory test available and run that first thing while the machine is cool. If it doesn't run cool, use the heat gun to warm up the memory, and see if that helps.
Hi John
Thats sounds like my next step. I was thinking of pulling the hdd out and placing in a warm place for a while.
 

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The powermax diagnostic tool (advanced test) says "congratulations drive is certified as
error free" but the powermax user manual cautions that an intermittent problem could still
exist. A full Low Level Format remains the most effective test for a drive with intermittent
problems.

Think I might put the thing on hold for a few days as the people that own it are away and I
think it might be an idea to discuss it with them before going any further.

Thanks for your help to date. Will report back in a day or two.
 
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Can you put in another drive to see what happens.

When I was having boot up troubles it started rebooting on me after it got warm.
I had added the week before a Y power cord because the side case fan on the door was pluged into it but was to short to lay the side down so I had to keep unpluging it and that got to be a pain. But with the Y power cord added I had pinched it the one time putting the side back on the case. It was very hard to see so it too me almost a week because I had looked many time. It was so if the wire was setting just right inside the case it short out and reboot. Other times it had to warm up first. I taped up where it pinched in cut the wire covering and all is ok and now I know better to watch out and make sure to move that wire to a safe place so it does not get in the way when I put the side back on.
Later same type of thing was going on but it got worse and then it started saying new hard found at bootup. Well it was not the same thing but the PS was going out and I replaced it.
 

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Update:

According to local techy it was the motherboard.

Thanks to all for your help. (y)

Gerry
 
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