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  1. dotty999

    dotty999 Thread Starter

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    I recently tried to use a word which was filtered, it's an innocent word in the UK and I'd like to know why it's an issue here, I've tried to post it from a link from various sources to no avail as all have been censored, I'm gonna have to break this up and try to convey the word in parts,;) snig with a further gering, in the UK it means laughing behind someone's back, kids do and say it all the time, I'd be interested to know what the problem is and if other members have had similar issues with words they assume are innocent, we live and learn and I for one would really appreciate feedback just for edumacation purposes:D
     
  2. TheOutcaste

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    Remove the s and the ing, and that is the part being blocked. Seems the filter is being a bit aggressive on that one. In the US we would spell it more often as snickering
     
  3. dotty999

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    but that doesn't answer the question as why it's considered a bad word
     
  4. Cookiegal

    Cookiegal Administrator Malware Specialist Coordinator

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    TheOutcaste is correct. The censored word he carefully pointed out is blocked from being used on its own or in any form of a longer word (although only that portion of the word would be starred out) because there are too many ways it can be used in an offensive context and not many that would be acceptable uses.

    If we don't filter it this way then we have to try to think of every possible combination that would be offensive and block them all individually and we would certainly miss some. We do that though when there are several uses in longer words that would not be offensive but that isn't the case here. :)
     
  5. Cookiegal

    Cookiegal Administrator Malware Specialist Coordinator

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    I think you're just not understanding what TheOutcaste wrote. If you eliminate those letters, what are you left with? I believe that's a racial slur and derogatory no matter where you live.
     
  6. 1002richards

    1002richards Retired Trusted Advisor

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    Just to barge in .... living in the County of Sussex sometimes sets filters off too (not at TSG of course). Some schools in East Sussex and West Sussex had real problems during the early days of schools embracing the www. etc)
     
  7. dotty999

    dotty999 Thread Starter

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    I just realized what you referred to but IMO it's a far cry from the word I wanted to post as it was changing it by removing letters which shouldn't happen, if it was taken in context then the actual word would not have been seen to be derogatory imo.
     
  8. Cookiegal

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    I'm wondering if you may have missed my post no. 4 where I explained the filtering process a little but nevertheless, let me go into a bit more detail and give you an example.

    So let's pretend the word "eat" is considered profanity and we want to filter it out. But the letters "eat" can also appear in a multitude of legitimate words that have no offensive connotations whatsoever, such as "treat", "create", "breathe", etc. So, in that case, we would set the filter to only star out the actual three letter word "eat" when it appears on its own in any context but not if it appears in any other derivatives as we wouldn't want those legitimate words to show up as "tr***", "cr***e" or "br***he" or a lot of text would be difficult to understand.

    On the other hand, let's go further and pretend that there are also a few other derivatives of the word "eat" that are offensive, let's say "eater" and "eating" for instance. In that case, we would also have to filter out both of those words individually or they could still be used despite the word "eat" on its own being censored.

    So getting back to the word you were trying to use, of course it's not offensive or derogatory but there are probably very few, if any others that would not be. In all the years this word has been censored, this is the first one that has come to light that I'm aware of. Unfortunately, the filters are not smart enough to recognize the context in which a word is being used. They can only censor the words or letters that we tell them to.

    So although a few inoffensive words may occasionally get chopped by the filters, there are usually other alternatives that can be used in their place and if we relax the filtering for this particular word, we could potentially be opening doors that are just better left closed. :)
     
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    So just use the alternate spelling that The Outcaste suggested: snickering. :)
     
  10. dotty999

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    I wasn't aware of that alternative Laura as it's not what we would consider as the same meaning in the UK.
    Funnily enough, there are several words used, particularly in CD that the Brits would find rude yet are allowed as I guess they don't have the same meaning in the USA, that's the problem I guess that we really do speak a different language:)
     
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    I do understand what you're saying, it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me but that's nothing new!:p
     
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    I think I follow;)
    One of those rare cases where an offensive word is included in a total word.
    I think I will cook some bass tonight
    an offensive word can be derived from the word bass.
    One could effectively call people an *** but add extra letters to the word in a slang fashion
    So in effect one could call me a bass..when in reality the word implied would be the 3 letter variety.
    Much the same for sn blank blank blank blank blank ing.
    The end result is a partial of that word contains an offensive word

    Edit
    I noticed the 3 letter word was censored but not the 4 letter word....therefore my above post seems to be not totally true.

    I used that word intentionally as I didn't think it was censored...as it also refers to a donkey.

    I also now need clarification
     
  13. Cookiegal

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    Using the donkey word as an example, the three letter version is indeed censored. So if you type *** you will get three stars instead, as you did and I just did. For that word, we have set the filters to only star out that three letter word when it appears by itself because we know that there are many good words that have those same three letters in them, like "compass" or "sassy" or your word "bass" for example. That's why you will still see those entire words spelled out properly.

    But if there aren't many variations that could be legitimate uses, then we would set the censors to block those three letters regardless of whether they appear on their own or anywhere in a longer word. So then you would see those words in my example partially censored as "comp***, or s***y or b***".

    Is that clearer? Don't be a bass. :D
     
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    I figured it out after my edit.
    One is "contained but not limited to"
    the other is "limited too"

    And now I am craving sassafras tea for some reason
     
  15. Cookiegal

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    Like I said in my quick edit, don't be a bass. :D
     
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