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Video Card Upgrade + A Potential Memory Issue?

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  1. 8dalejr.fan

    8dalejr.fan Thread Starter

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    I'm back -- several years having a functioning computer has kept me away. :cool:

    So... I have some faulty RAM (I believe - failed memory test and getting memory related BSODs) that needs replacing. Also, my system can't handle some new games. F1 2015 was a disaster. They re-did the game engine, and I could barely get more than 10 FPS. Time to upgrade some things.

    I was thinking of just replacing the RAM and upgrading the video card. I currently have a GTX560. Thinking about going for a GTX970.

    I know that the CPU and the Motherboard are limiting/bottleneck (potentially?) factors. The Motherboard is an old GA-M68MT-S2 (PCI-E 1.1 x16... yes, 1.1). The CPU is a Phenom II 1100T 6-core at 3.2 GHz.

    Questions:
    1) How much would that MoBo/CPU bottleneck a video card upgrade? I've read it will, but negligibly so (a few percent).
    2) Am I stupid to keep that processor?
    3) Does it make sense to just upgrade the video card? Or is the whole system in need of a rebuild?
    4) Is the GTX 970 the best bang for my buck, or should I go with something else? (Its price is the max I am willing to pay for something right now.)

    My goals here are to be able to play recent games at high settings. I know I need a much better video card to be able to do that... but do I need to replace the processor too?

    I'm not too eager (nor do I have the budget) to rebuild the whole thing at this point.

    What do y'all think?
     
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  2. Courtneyc

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    I would look into the memory issue, and upgrade the graphics card. Although the current PCIe spec is 3.0, a PCIe 1.1 x16 is still faster than the video card. Your CPU is fine for many of today's games. No need to upgrade that yet. (I haven't yet come across any game I can't play on my i7-920 with a GTX 960 card. It runs at 2.67MHz.)

    If you upgrade in the future, you can still use the GTX 970.

    One note: The GTX 970 uses 50W more power than the 560. At least a 500W power supply is recommended.
     
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  3. 8dalejr.fan

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    Thanks, Courtneyc. The PSU is 700W so should be fine.

    In terms of the memory issue, I'm getting a BSOD that often says Memory Management (though I did recently get a System Service Exception). They seem to be happening with increasing frequency (3 today!) and often when running iTunes in the background. The Windows Memory Diagnostic failed. I'm thinking of doing a set of 8 passes with MemTest, but to verify it is the RAM and not the motherboard, should I run each stick alone in each slot? (Computer will be fine to boot with just one stick of RAM loaded in slot 1 or 2, right?)

    How can I be certain that it is not the motherboard? (In which case, my whole upgrade plans would have to change.)
     
  4. Cookiegal

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    We received your report 8dalejr.fan but you can edit the title of your thread yourself by clicking on the Edit button since you're still well within the 24-hour edit window. :)
     
  5. 8dalejr.fan

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    Thanks, Cookiegal! Did not see that there. And good to see you again. :)
     
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    Cookiegal Administrator Malware Specialist Coordinator

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    You're welcome and good to see you again too.

    I could have changed it for you but you know what they say "give a man a fish....." :D
     
  7. satrow

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    "I'm getting a BSOD that often says Memory Management (though I did recently get a System Service Exception)"

    Those BSOD types, 0x1A and 0x3B, suggest that a device driver could be causing the bugchecks. Copy the most recent minidump files to your Desktop then zip and attach them, or upload them somewhere publicly accessible and add a link.
     
  8. 8dalejr.fan

    8dalejr.fan Thread Starter

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    Thanks. I'd like to sort out the cause of the BSODs before I tinker with upgrading/rebuilding.

    As evidenced by this screenshot, the BSODs are increasing in frequency. The most recent minidumps are attached below, including the 3 from today.

    Most happen with iTunes or some kind of music running in the background.

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  9. 8dalejr.fan

    8dalejr.fan Thread Starter

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    Also, with regards to the second aspect of my question, my racing friends are telling me NOT to get a GTX970 because it has a stuttering problem with iRacing, and that I should get an ATI card. What ATI card is comparable to a 970 that you would recommend?
     
  10. Tanis

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    Looking at www.hwcompare.com, which is a useful tool to get a feel for GPU performance, the GTX970 should give you a significant performance boost over the GTX560, according to that site the 970 uses 5w less power! Please note, the site only uses manufacturer spec to compare, not actual in system performance testing.

    Having said that, I still agree with Courtneyc and would probably go for a minimum of 600w, I rarely go less than that for a gaming build but that's personal preference.

    I am not familiar with ATI cards having always used and preferred NVidia. Again, looking at the same site the closes comparable card would something like the R9 280, but it has significantly higher power consumption.
     
  11. satrow

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    No real clues that I can see in those dumps.

    One nVidia nForce driver is very old (Vista!) but I can't seem to find any that are significantly newer for your chipset/motherboard version.

    It's possible that *something* new in Avast is playing a part.

    Enabling Driver Verifier should flush out any bad driver(s), read and follow this carefully, ensure you can bail out of DV blocking Windows ability to start.

    Only run DV for 24~48 hours, longer will lead to a high chance of false positives. Once you have a verified dump or two, attach them and turn off DV.



    Oldest 3rd party drivers:
    nvm62x64.sys Fri Oct 17 22:01:06 2008 (48F8FD12)
    amdxata.sys Fri Mar 19 16:18:18 2010 (4BA3A3CA)
    nvstor.sys Fri Mar 19 20:45:11 2010 (4BA3E257)
    WmVirHid.sys Tue Apr 27 21:08:53 2010 (4BD74455)
    WmXlCore.sys Tue Apr 27 21:09:26 2010 (4BD74476)
    WmBEnum.sys Tue Apr 27 21:10:19 2010 (4BD744AB)
    RTKVHD64.sys Tue Jan 25 10:38:43 2011 (4D3EA833)
    speedfan.sys Fri Mar 18 16:08:46 2011 (4D83838E)
    PxHlpa64.sys Tue Apr 24 18:26:29 2012 (4F96E245)
    GEARAspiWDM.sys Thu May 3 20:56:17 2012 (4FA2E2E1)
    nvhda64v.sys Tue Jul 3 16:25:04 2012 (4FF30ED0)
    nvlddmkm.sys Fri Jan 18 13:22:15 2013 (50F94C87)
    vbaudio_cable64_win7.sys Tue Jun 25 11:42:03 2013 (51C973FB)

    http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=nvm62x64.sys
    http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=amdxata.sys
    http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=nvstor.sys
    http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=WmVirHid.sys
    http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=WmXlCore.sys
    http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=WmBEnum.sys
    http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=RTKVHD64.sys
    http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=speedfan.sys
    http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=PxHlpa64.sys
    http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=GEARAspiWDM.sys
    http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=nvhda64v.sys
    http://www.carrona.org/drivers/driver.php?id=nvlddmkm.sys
    vbaudio_cable64_win7.sys - this driver hasn't been added to the DRT as of this run. Please search Google/Bing for the driver if additional information is needed.
     
  12. 8dalejr.fan

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    Thanks, I will try that and report back.

    How do I "ensure you can bail out of DV blocking Windows ability to start"?
     
  13. satrow

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    It's all explained in the link; you first need to make a new Restore point before anything else, then, if you can't reboot normally, go into Safe Mode > System Restore and revert:
     
  14. 8dalejr.fan

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    I've run DV on the non-Microsoft drivers for just over 24 hours with no BSODs.

    I'm disabling it again to do some online gaming (I tried to do this with DV running but it killed the FPS, and I couldn't really test DV while gaming).
     

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    Bump - any ideas on how to proceed?
     
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