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Weird Error Running Nero

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  1. del_ross

    del_ross Thread Starter

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    Dunno if this is the right place to post it.

    Specifications:
    Celeron 333, 128 MB RAM, 20Gig Seagate HDD, Acer 32X CDRW drive

    Error:
    strange error while burning ANY CD-Rs or CD-RWs.
    Invalid Block Address.
    weird part is , that under Win95 OSR2 the SAME drive is burning cds alrite!

    Im just pasting the entire Nero Error Log ... (almost) if anyone can make any suggestions.

    ------------BEGIN LOG-----------------------------------------------

    Windows 98 4.10
    WinAspi: File 'Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=1, 0, 0, 0, size=36864 bytes, created 4/23/99 10:22:00 PM
    Nero Version: 5.5.7.1
    Recorder: <ATAPI CD-R/RW 32X10> Version: T.IA - HA 0 TA 1 - 5.5.7.1

    im tired of making Coasters....so ANY help/general idea about WHAT might be the issue is helpful.

    have disabled everything in Startup , except for TaskMonitor,SystemTray LoadPowerProfiles and ScanRegistry. disabled AV.
    Adapter driver: <ESDI_506> HA 0
    Drive buffer : 2048kB
    Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI
    CD-ROM: <CREATIVE CD3621E ZC100> Version: 1.00 - HA 0 TA 0 - 5.5.7.1
    Adapter driver: <ESDI_506> HA 0
    Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI
    ATAPI CD-R/RW 32X10 (Target 1, M:): Autoinsert Off, DMA On, Disconnect On, SyncDataXfer Off
    Excluded drive IDs:
    CmdQueuing : 1
    CmdNotification: 2
    WriteBufferSize: 20971520 (0) Byte
    ShowDrvBufStat : 0
    EraseSpeed : 0
    BUFE : 0
    Physical memory : 127MB (130484kB)
    Free physical memory: 0MB (276kB)
    Memory in use : 69 %
    Uncached PFiles: 0x0
    Use Static Write Speed Table: 0
    Use Inquiry : 1
    Global Bus Type: default (0)
    Wizard: Off

    CD-Image
    24.10.2002

    3:39:39 AM #1 Phase 87 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1436
    Seamless Link activated

    3:39:40 AM #2 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 117
    Reader running

    3:39:40 AM #3 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 127
    Writer ATAPI CD-R/RW 32X10 running

    3:39:40 AM #4 IMAGEGEN -10 File ImageGen.cpp, Line 354
    Image was written as TAO.


    3:39:43 AM #5 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 679
    Setup items (original item values)
    0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (Joliet)
    2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
    original CD pos #0 + 246847 (246847) = #246847/54:51.22
    relocatable, CD pos for caching/writing not required/not required, patch infos
    --------------------------------------------------------------

    3:39:45 AM #6 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 194
    Last possible write address on media: 359848 (79:59.73)
    Last address to be written: 246849 (54:53.24)

    3:39:46 AM #7 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 1331
    Recorder: ATAPI CD-R/RW 32X10;
    CDR code: 00 97 22 67; OSJ entry from: Acer Media Technology, Inc.
    ATIP Data:
    Special Info [hex] 1: D0 00 A0, 2: 61 16 43 (LI 97:22.67), 3: 4F 3B 4A (LO 79:59.74)
    Additional Info [hex] 1: 00 00 00 (invalid), 2: 00 00 00 (invalid), 3: 00 00 00 (invalid)

    3:39:49 AM #8 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 824
    Prepare recorder ATAPI CD-R/RW 32X10 for write in TAO
    DAO infos:
    ==========
    MCN:
    TOCTYPE: 0x0 Close Session
    Tracks 1 to 1:
    TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x0, ISRC "", FilePos 0 307200 505849856

    3:39:49 AM #9 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 852
    Removed 2 run-out blocks from end of track 1.

    3:39:49 AM #10 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 679
    Setup items (after recorder preparation)
    0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (Joliet)
    2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
    original CD pos #0 + 246847 (246847) = #246847/54:51.22
    relocatable, CD pos for caching/writing not required/not required, patch infos
    -> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 246845 blocks [ATAPI CD-R/RW 32X10 ]
    --------------------------------------------------------------

    3:39:49 AM #11 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1436
    Burn process started at 4x (600 KB/s)

    3:39:49 AM #12 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1950
    Verifying CD position of item 0 (relocatable, no CD pos, patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

    3:39:49 AM #13 Text 0 File Mmc.cpp, Line 15145
    Set BUFE: Seamless Link -> ON

    3:49:49 AM #14 SCSI -1064 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1409
    SCSI Exec, HA 0, TA 1, LUN 0, buffer 0x03AD6450
    Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
    HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
    TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
    Sense Key: 0x05 (KEY_ILLEGAL_REQUEST)
    Sense Code: 0x21
    Sense Qual: 0x16
    CDB Data: 0x2A 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x90 0x39 0x00 0x00 0x1F 0x00 0x00 0x00
    Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x05 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0A
    0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x21 0x16

    3:49:49 AM #15 mmc -1064 File Writer.cpp, Line 321
    Invalid block address

    3:49:50 AM #16 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 219
    all writers idle, stopping conversion

    3:49:50 AM #17 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 213
    conversion idle, stopping reader

    3:49:51 AM #18 CDR -201 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 186
    Invalid writestate

    3:49:51 AM #19 TRANSFER -18 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 186
    Could not perform EndTrack

    3:51:04 AM #20 Phase 38 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1436
    Burn process failed at 4x (600 KB/s)

    3:51:04 AM #21 Text 0 File Scsicmd.cpp, Line 371
    SCSI uses static buffer memory. Buffer start: 0x21020000
    20 out of 20 temporary buffers allocated
    ------------ END LOG-----------------------------------------------

    ive disabled everything at startup, Except
    Scanregistry, LoadPowerProfiles,TaskMonitor,SystemTray.
    disabled Antivirus, am NOT running ANY other programs.

    above error occurs with Multisession and Single Session disks, the log is for an Image File Burn.

    any help or ideas WELCOME!!!!!!
     
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  3. del_ross

    del_ross Thread Starter

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    well downloaded an updated ASPI driver from ahead.de.

    the really odd thing is that the same thing works in WIN95 OSR2 (fingers crossed) which is like an OLDER OS so it cant be a hardware prob...

    DMA is already enabled, which solved the issue with someone on that website.....but maybe i ought to uncheck it?

    also will update the WNASPI32.DLL in the nero directory....
     
  4. monted

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    good luck, just thought the other thread might help.
     
  5. slipe

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    If you don’t have the latest firmware from Acer and the latest update from Nero, get them.

    Older burners often benefit from turning DMA off, but most 32X burners work better with it checked. It won’t hurt to try it.

    Run the ASPI check program to make sure it is OK: http://www.cyrus.troy.btinternet.co.uk/downloads.htm If it isn’t right you might do best to use the Force Aspi from the same source to update it.

    The only thing that stands out from the log is that you are recording track at once. Try session at once or disc at once.
     
  6. slipe

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    Another thing that can cause all sorts of burner misery is a Via chipset if you have one. The bus mastering can really suck. If you do, go to Via’s site and download the latest 4 in 1 driver update for it. Some people have better luck reverting to the Intel bus drivers native to Windows.
     
  7. del_ross

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    ran the NeroPING utility from ahead.de .....

    also if it were a chipset thing, why would it run okay under Win95 OSR2 then?

    i do recall burning ONE multisession disk with no issues...but trying later with HP and Samsung media all gave me coasters....

    WinAspi: File 'Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=1, 0, 0, 0, size=36864 bytes, created 4/23/99 10:22:00 PM <------- this does look Suspicious though

    so as i said d/ld the updated ASPI from Ahead.de and will try that.....thnx for all your help

    AspiCheck tells me >>>>

    LOG0144: Starting ASPICHK installer on Sun Jan 12 23:53:34 2003
    ASPICHK0438: OS = Windows 95 (4.10.2222)
    UPGRADE1004: c:\windows\system\wnaspi32.dll dated 04/23/1999 16:52:00, 36864 bytes.
    UPGRADE1062: c:\windows\system\wnaspi32.dll version 1.0.0.1
    UPGRADE1004: c:\windows\system\winaspi.dll dated 04/23/1999 16:52:00, 3536 bytes.
    UPGRADE1062: c:\windows\system\winaspi.dll version 1.0.0.65
    UPGRADE1004: c:\windows\system\iosubsys\apix.vxd dated 04/23/1999 16:52:00, 29497 bytes.
    UPGRADE1062: c:\windows\system\iosubsys\apix.vxd version 4.0.0.952
    UPGRADE0965: File c:\windows\system\aspienum.vxd does not exist
    UPGRADE0369: No existing file to compare, upgrade recommended
    ASPICHK0522: Inconsistent version numbers among components
    ASPICHK0592: ASPI installation has problems

    where do i go from Here???
     
  8. del_ross

    del_ross Thread Starter

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    one week on:

    Added the Adaptec Drivers ...
    not only Disabled Antivirus but CTRL-Alt-Del the Process...
    Added the new Wnaspi32.dll from ahead.de website...
    disabled and RE-enabled DMA for the writer...
    tried burning Disk At Once instead of Track At Once...

    No go under Win98SE :(

    and search on google tells me about SCSI device errors....WHY would an IDE/ATAPI CDRW have a SCSI error???
     
  9. slipe

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    ASPI is a SCSI like interface. ASPI stands for Advanced SCSI Programming Interface. Software that uses ASPI can give SCSI errors. New versions of Roxio and all Prassi based software doesn’t use ASPI, but a corrupted ASPI can still cause problems for reasons I don’t completely understand. Nero requires a good ASPI.

    Did you run the ASPI check after you updated the ASPI? If it is still screwy try using the Force Aspi from the same link.

    Logic is no substitute for pure blind luck. I would update the Via drivers.
     
  10. del_ross

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    dont think my M/B uses a VIA chipset ..... its a Soyo 6KL 440LX m/b....

    Specifications of MB ---> SY-6KL 82440 LX AGP/PCI SystemBoard


    anyway if it were a M/B driver issue i'd have expected to hit me harder in Win95 , which i have on another physical hard disk...

    DID do ForceASPI....now it shows aall the ones green....however the files are all dated 1999 .... is there a more recent version?

    Win95: burns 592 MB in like 5 mins....the Recorder Buffer/State is like ALWAYS 90% + .... the Used Read Buffer is above 90% also.

    Win98: it reads the read buffer for like 2 mins... then goes upto 8% with the Recorder Buffer/State at 90% , then it drops to 69% then 30%..... then it starts to read into the Used Read Buffer again..... after going upto 90% on the SECOND time its reading into the Read Buffer......it gives me the "Invalid Block Address" "Unable to Write EndTrack" ..... did try it in Disk at once Mode....but it gave me another error at about 8% again.

    doesnt this look like a Win98SE error rather than a hardware error...

    also another issue....altho my burner is a Acer CRW 3210A ... it shows up in BIOS AND Device Manager as ATAPI CD-R/RW 32x10. do i NEED to load like some drivers again?? (dint think so bu im grabbing at straws now)

    i would like to say that the FIRST CD i ever burnt using multisession burnt just fine...noo errors.
     
  11. del_ross

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    well, i appear to have resolved the issue.....

    i have since the last post, formatted the hard drive and reloaded Win98.

    that appeared to work, as i had disconnected the second hard drive the 10 gig one....

    as soon as i reconnected the second hard drive..... BOOM back to the same error.

    i had to manually pop the case and unplug the power connection to the second drive... even disableing the HDD from BIOS gave the same "Invalid Block Address".

    i guess something in the systemboard and the Win98 is less than forgiving about having another device on the same IDE chain.

    now with ONLY the 20 gig connected and running Nero, the burns are slower than under 95 but atleast they go thru all the way!

    so in summary:

    unpower ANY OTHER devices connected to the IDE, and try to burn using nero. reinstalling and updating the ASPI layer and adding DMA access MAY work, but its not a sure guarantee of results
     
  12. Dynochem

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    Burners should ALWAYS be connected as Master on the IDE cable (usually IDE2)
    They need priority of the clock ticks.
    Your ACER isn't burnproof so any errors will give a coaster.
    get the latest firmware for it... I've fixed 3 of them flashing the firmware
    Don't do any more full burns... only use 'simulate' & 'test' until they are consistently successful.

    Get the latest V4.71 ASPI layer check for free at download.com

    click or paste this link
    http://download.com.com/3120-20-0.html?qt=aspichk&tg=dl-2001
     
  13. slipe

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    Your MB has an Intel chipset – I missed that you have a Celeron.

    You haven’t given any feedback on the firmware. I suggested you update it in my first post. The very first thing you do with an incompatibly problem is update the firmware and software. We are really wasting our time until you do that. http://www.acercm-eu.com/ServiceAndSupport/Drivers/drivers.cfm?product=317

    I don’t agree with much Dynochem said except to repeat the request for the firmware. Some burners come with instructions to install them as slave and some others say to set it the opposite of the CD-ROM. Some burners specify master as well, but I prefer to follow the manufacturer’s instructions – at least as a starting point. I would like to see a reference to the master getting more clock cycles than the slave.

    Acer invented Seamless Link buffer underrun protection that is used in several brands. It is competent and has been on all of their burners I think since 16X. Not many brands still use the original Sanyo Burn-Proof, but they all do the same thing. Your burner has buffer underrun protection.

    Simulated burns can be helpful in avoiding coasters, but unfortunately some apparent burner problems can be avoided by skipping the simulation and just burning. There is often no relation between a successful burn and a successful simulation. Sometimes the simulation aborts with errors but you can burn fine and sometimes the simulation is good but the burn fails.

    The Force ASPI version is certainly good for Nero and Win98. Nero has an aspi download (with instructions) for Win9x/ME computers, which is separate from the one for NT/2k/XP. Force ASPI loads the same aspi as the Nero ones for Win98. I wouldn’t try to outsmart them and load the latest XP compatible aspi: If you are going to load anything other than the ones from Force ASPI use the correct ones for Win98 from Nero: http://www.nero.com/en/index.html#c1023694368810

    If the firmware doesn’t work try the CD-ROM drive as slave to the boot HD on the primary and the burner as slave to your second HD on the secondary. It is a common setup and might work for you.
     
  14. del_ross

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    thnx guys for the additional suggestions ...

    is there any DOWNSIDE to flashing the firmware....could i revert back to th old version if it creates more probs in some way? (newbie q but i had a mobo go bad coz of a wrong BIOS flash, and would like to be safe than sorry)
     
  15. skylinedo

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    Exactly why I don't wanna update mine.
     
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